Dinah, one of the 3 psychiatrists who author the Shrink Rap blog, has written a post that has a condescending tone, and arrogant air about it, and Dinah 'offers' Duane Sherry a space for commenting on the blog.
In that post, Dinah highlights Duane's position on psychiatric medications which differ from Dinah's. Apparently, Duane is a frequent commenter at that blog and Dinah, in her attempt to 'give him a space' to share his thoughts and add comments via the comment box, has in fact marginalized, and placed Duane Sherry in a nice tidy box, where Dinah, it appears has an inability to see all sides of the discussion on medications.
Frankly, the blog post at Shrink Rap blog is beyond arrogant and does the opposite of what she may be attempting to do: befriend certain commenters and readers, or is she showing her "I'm the doctor" side? I'll take "I'm the doctor" side for 50!
This is the problem with many doctors, and part of the turn off of patients, are doctors that have a one way only thought process to the treatment of mental illness.
There can be and never will be open dialogue, when doctors write posts making a mockery of someone like Duane Sherry.
She may as well give me a space to, for my redundant posts about the harm antipsychotics can do to children or mine for that matter.
Duane is a frequent commenter on this blog too, and has been for years. He leaves thoughtful straight to the point comments, and I appreciate them.
He also writes from personal passion as a father, because his son was once diagnosed with bipolar disorder at age 11 (correct me if I am wrong Duane) after a manic reaction to antidepressants prescribed for irritable bowel syndrome and anxiety (in 2005) was then prescribed the antipsychotic Geodon.
FROM the Pharmalot article from 2007
"Arnold Mech, a psychiatrist in Plano, Texas, diagnosed Brian with bipolar, obsessive-compulsive, social anxiety, generalized anxiety and attention-deficit hyperactivity disorders. Mech prescribed Geodon and the Pfizer antidepressant Zoloft, along with Lilly’s Straterra, a stimulant. To counteract the sedating effect of Geodon, he added Cephalon’s Provigil, a drug that promotes wakefulness.
Over the next seven months, Brian had only fleeting relief from anxious, angry moods and rages, he says. The drugs made him so tired he could barely function, his father says. Duane decided to wean his son off the meds and start him on a regimen of vitamins and herbal supplements. Since the switch, Brian says his moods and his relationships with schoolmates are better.
“The biggest thing was it kind of slowed down my thinking process,” he says. While on the meds, “I would make very rash decisions and get in trouble at school. When you slow down and think things through more rationally, it really helps.” "
AND
"Mech says he helped conduct a pediatric study of Geodon on behalf of Pfizer and has done research sponsored by 11 other drug companies and serves on the advisory boards or speakers’ bureaus of 18 drug and medical device makers, according to records he provided."
Similar over-diagnosing and turned out to be wrong, yet drugged to the moon is my daughter. Her outcome is less than best. The decade of psych meds for all intent and purpose, fried her brain. Damaged.
She struggles daily to form words into sentences and 3-5 words are typically all we hear, when we hear it. She reads notes when I speak, I write a note to go with the discussion, and that way she can process the information.
Sometimes, she looks like she wants to say something, and struggles so hard to get out a word, it's heart wrenching.
She had gained over 100lbs on Zyprexa, and that drug and the weight is gone. All of the school afternoons spent at 15 minute med checks with psychiatrists are gone. Her teen years, gone. High school graduation, never happened. The drugs, snuffed out one of the most vivacious and lively persons I have ever known. Her laughter filled a room, and she had a great sense of humor. I used to describe her the last few years as she used to be, but reality is, she isn't that anymore.
She is like a shadow of herself, and she does a few walks, or pets her dog, and I do get smiles from her when I (amidst my rambling talking that I still do, because she hears me and damn it she is still here) --- bake her brownies or make her spaghetti. This week the challenge is to again, do daily self care to go out, and the goal is the Zoo. Tried once and we will try again, until she can handle it and get out. It may take all summer, it may never happen. That hurts. But this is it.
Duane Sherry's blog is a mental health clearinghouse and resource, titled Discover and Recover, Resources for Mental and Overall Wellness. Check it out for many useful articles and links.
As for Shrink Rap blog, I'm generally not a reader, and that is due to the condenscending tone that Dinah carries there. That's my honest answer on that. Check their blog out, maybe it's your cup of tea, it's just not mine.
Duane, thanks for the comments and the support, and I wish the best for your son, a continued successful life.
The comment he left at the Pharmalot article referenced above says it the best:
"Is recovery from this ‘life-long’ illness possible?
Without medication?
You bet it is!"
Duane Sherry, M.S., CRC
http://discoverandrecover.wordpress/.
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I'm not speaking for Dinah, just my 2 cents. I have frankly gotten frustrated with a couple commenters on SR, and their negative, antagonistic tones... to the point that I've kinda tuned them out because it is not adding constructive dialogue (at least, not for me). It's just a basic respect... if you visit someone else's house, you don't take a dump on their carpet or challenge them to a duel.
I have started reading Duane's again recently as he has said he is working to be less black & white and in your face, and he has some good ideas that were getting ignored in all the noise.
Stephany,
Words cannot express my gratitude.
Although we may not "know" each other, at least not in the conventional sense, as in having met one-another in person, or even by phone for that matter, I do feel a strong bond between you and any other parent who has has gone through the ordeal of having a child injured by psychiatric drugs.
My comments on Dinah's blog were an attempt to present the facts... and ironically to offer options.
It appears to me that it is psychiatry with the 'one-size-fits-all-model'... Not every psychiatrist, but the vast majority give diagnoses and treatments without looking at other root causes of symptoms, and other integrative medical options that might offer much more hope, recovery, wellness, and lifelong thriving.
As Marica Angell, M.D., Peter Breggin, M.D., Robert Whitaker, Joanna Moncrieff, M.D., Charles Whitaker, M.D., David Healy, M.D., Grace Jackson, M.D., Karen Effrem, M.D., et al have pointed out... These psychiatric drugs are hardly the answer for the vast majority of people....
And there are lots of other options that are not being used, especiallly with children, elderly, and military service members /veterans....
We can do better.
We HAVE to do better!
I hope you know that you and your family are always in my thoughts and prayers, along with Becky from 'Involuntary Transformation, Rossa from 'Holisitc Recovery from Schizophrenia', and the many, many parents I met while moderating the Safe Harbor website.
Thank you for your support.
Duane Sherry
Hi Roy, thanks for stopping by, I appreciate your comment. You might remember me from the twitter APA 2011 hashtag where you had a good sense of humor and joked that you were abt to speak (or poster presentation)and said i'd surely announce if you were in dollars for docs (LOL) since i had been tweeting that topic!
Duane does have good ideas, and there is evidence to back them, and Whitaker's book has a lot also.
Duane,
Yep, in the same camp due to having this happen to kids, and that makes for a badge of courage and steadfastness, to hang in there w kids going thru withdrawals and seeing them suffer or become wild and raging on antidepressants (like i have seen)and to have that behavior never exist before the drugs...it's awful.
*sorry for the delay in posting comments, was out all day taking care of biz w my daughter, who got a blood test and wrote me a note to buy 'socks'. Took LOTS of time to get that done, hours for processing, thinking, ended w a nice dog park walk.
Hi Stephany,
I was not attempting to marginalize Duane, but to contain him. His earlier posts were incessant to the point that we felt harassed. He has chilled out considerably.
Please note that with the exceptions of a few knick knacks, sticky pads, and cheap pens, the Shrink Rappers have no ties to the pharmaceutical companies. I do have a Prozac mug that my friends are amused by.
Please also note that the Shrink Rappers do not treat children and we've made no statements about medications in kids. I just don't have any experience to base an opinion on.
I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter's difficulties. I hope things get much much better.
Dinah,
It seems that perhaps you were going along your merry-way...
A book, blogs, NPR radio program....
And then someone like me (and a few others) stepped into your life (and onto your blog)...
Maybe you needed a wake-up call.
Maybe you had gotten too comfortable.
Maybe you were supposed to learn some things from some folks you would least expect.
Maybe your world was supposed to get (momentarily) turned upside-down...
Not so that you would stay there.
But that you would be challenged to turn it right-side up.
You continue to paint psychiatry as mostly helpful, with some fallout.
I suggest that psychiatric drugs cause more harm than good for the 'vast majority' who use them...much more the 'rule' than the 'exception.'
And I suggest that psychiatrists have a lot to learn... especially as we see the things you were taught in medical school... those 'brain disoder', 'chemical imbalance' theories.... those 'lifelong, incurable illness' theories collapse.
Dinah, they are collapsing.
And it's time they were replaced with some theories and treatments that offered real help, real hope.
It appears to me that in lieu of all that has come out in recent years, especially in recent months... about the politics, deception, injury of your profession to so many...
It appears that psychiatry willl collapse. In fact, I think in many ways, psychiatry (as practiced today) is dead.
Duane Sherry
Thanks for stopping by, Dinah and for the comment.
Just a note to all commenters I'm offline for a while and will post comments later today, thanks!
Roy,
You think I'm angry?
Wait until the American people become fully cognizant about what has been allowed to take place.
It is the taxpayer who has paid the bill for all this 'research' at the federal level, and the states who have paid out the gazoo in Medicaid programs.
The injury is taking place where it hurts the most:
a) Circumventing the Constitution, with 'forced treatment'... a clear violation of both the 8th and 14th amendments
b) Targeting children with mind-altering drugs that are not safe for them; targeting elderly in nursing homes, shutting down their hearts with 'five at five'; targeting military service members and veterans by placing lifelong labels on them, and drugging them into oblivion, to include 1 in 5 in war theater(s)
You think I'm angry, Roy?
Watch this pseudoscience take its last breath... Watch some of you wanna-be 'docs' lose their life savings in civil courts, while others go to prison in the criminal variety... Watch closely, Roy... Because it's coming.
It's coming, Roy.
Like a tsunami, it's coming.
I grew up in the Hill Country of Texas, where I learned, as a kid to 'shoot-straight'.... literally, with a rifle, and figuratively, with my speech.
I don't claim to be 'politically correct'....
Never have.
Never will.
I may not be as 'civil' as you would like, but I am quite 'peaceful'....
Free speech (the political variety) is not always meant to be 'pleasant'.... It is, by its very nature supposed to cause 'discomfort'...
That's how changes are made.
Especially big changes!
I'm much more interested in facts... getting to the truth.
And the facts, the truth are not pretty, Roy.
These things are quite ugly.
I'm glad I got on your site a couple of months back... Happy to have 'deconstructed' your name, Shrink Rap on Psychology Today.
If at any time, you or the other two 'Shrinkers' want to toss me off your blog, go for it... I've told you as much on your blog.
But know one thing, Roy.
The mess your profession is not going away.... The rage is brewing in the country, and as we watch your profession collapse, we will also see some justice take place.... plenty of it.
And it will be a good day, Roy.
A very good day, indeed.
Passionately,
Duane Sherry, M.S.
discoverandrecover.wordpress.com/freedom
Yes, Duane it sure is crumbling. Remember way back when, I was writing comments places saying to watch out antipsychotics will be doled out as antidepressants and it happened, the train left the station on antipsychotics for all and mental health labels for all.
The revolution begins when someone has had enough of the tolerated BS the gov projects onto ppl such as FDA approving drugs over and over and for more indications and to kids when facts and statements by committee presenters are clear as bell, and this time I use Saphris as an example of that.
I am personally TIRED of hearing that psych meds are the ONLY way to treat MI when in fact if that were so, why are the psych wards, institutions full? why do doctors still tell patients that they need to 'find the right cocktail'?
Does ANYONE care that kids are dying (rebecca riley age 4)and soldiers rx seroquel for sleep and dying in their sleep?
The corporations have big bucks to defend selves (AZ 743 million in Seroquel defense)and never admit guilt!
Why do ppl tolerate this standard corruption we read abt daily? consider the recent posts on this blog--psychiatrist admits guilt to massive Medicare fraud and Biederman gang sanctioned for pocketing BOATLOADS of money and not telling....
It's quite frankly disgusting, and honestly I have been unfortunately inside several locked psych wards and have yet to see clear cut stats on ppl getting well, getting out on drugs, in fact they get worse and thats personal observation of some who arrive vocal with wits about themselves and the next day slumped in chairs, i would sit there and just be so sad for them, shot w a b52 then adding in the zombie pills mandatory for discharge.
Its not being antipsychitry to want better than that for loved ones!!!!
Stephany,
You were right with the expansion of antipsychotics... You read the writing on the wall...
And, you're right about 'anti-psychiatry' not being what you and others like myself are all about.
'Anti-psychiatry' is a word that's used to dismiss... to disenfranchise... Which is why it's used, and how it's used.
IMO, it's not about being anti-psychatry... It's about being pro...
Pro-many things...
Pro-humanity
Pro-decency
Pro-protection
Pro-inclusion
Pro-common sense.
My best,
Duane
Stephany,
One quick-comment about what you had to say about antipsychotics and the "train leaving the station"....
When I testified in Austin at the state legislature last term (2009), I had a prepared speech for one of the (several bills) with John Breeding...
Shortly before I testified, I looked over at John, and whispered to him, "I'm taking the gloves off John... I don't want to hurt the cause but somebody has to take the gloves off... I gotta do what I gotta do."
I spoke from the heart, and the words that came out to the legislative committee(in relation to massive drugging of kids in Medicaid and foster care) were,
"We have a Runaway Train."
We do.
And I am so grateful that you've been telling others as well.
Keep up the great work, Stephany!
And keep being a great mom!
Duane Sherry
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